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Craig Coetzee
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Craig88
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Hi.
Cape Town: Martin Bey (CK Friedlander - 021 441 8700); Tertius Maree (021 886 9504)
Gauteng: Alan Levy (Alan Levy Attorneys - 011 786 2192)
Durban: Siveshna Padayachee (Lomas-Walker - 031 266 7330)
All of them work in sectional title. If they cannot assist, they will be able to pass you on to the right person/company.
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Malcolm143
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Craig Coetzee
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Craig88
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Hi. There are a few questions that i would need to ask. First Question: What contract was it? Was it for urgent repairs and maintenance or was it for a non-luxurious or luxurious improvement. If it was for repairs and maintenance, he would have had to get at least a few quotes, you would have to call a trustees meeting by giving 7 days notice. If it is urgent, the period can be shorten by agreement of the trustees. If there are a total of 8 trustees (which includes the chairperson), the debate is if the correct notice was given? As the contractor has been appointed by the trustees, the contractor has recourse against the body corporate if you cancel the contract. If there is a cost to be paid, the trustees involved can be held personally liable. You will have to contact an attorney to take this matter further and/or resolve it asap. See previous post for contact details of attorneys.
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Craig Coetzee
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Craig88
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Hi. If it was non-luxurious or luxurious improvement, the owners will have to be involved in the decision making process as well. A special resolution or a unanimous resolution will have to be obtained.
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Tertius700
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No trustees meeting may be held unless all trustees present in the RSA are notified.
Tertius
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Craig Coetzee
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Craig88
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Hi. Are these rules registered at the Deeds Office? Does is state that you can issue fines/penalties? Your legal action is against the owner and not the tenant. If your rules do not allow fines, you might need to get an attorney involved and i would possibly suggest thatyou have the rules amended.
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Klaus Dyrbye
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Klaus569
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Craig Coetzee
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Craig88
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I would encourage you to look at amending your conduct rules as soon as possible to be able to implement fines. Owners only deal with transgressions when they feel it financially. Good Luck.
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Malcolm Cobb
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Malcolm143
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Craig Coetzee
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Craig88
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I would definitely contact an attorney and deal with this as soon as possible. You need to address this before the contractor starts working. Delay the work from starting so that you can call an "official" trustees meeting. Create an agenda, circulate it to all the trustees and put the point of meetings on the agenda. If you allow the work to proceed and the contractor does not perform, ALL trustees can be held liable for the decision making process. What work does the contractor need to do?
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Malcolm Cobb
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Malcolm143
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Craig Coetzee
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Craig88
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Yes. An owner can nominate whoever he/she wants to be a trustee.
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Teresa898
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Craig Coetzee
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Craig88
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Hi. There is not a standard template. Andre drafted a template for bodies corporate. You can e-mail andre@watchprop.co.za. He has a template but he will charge a small fee for it (I think it is R450). But he will be able to assist you in any question you might have regarding this.
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Craig Coetzee
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Craig88
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Hi. Is the garden common property, exclusive use area or part of the section (I doubt that it is part of the section)? Most times the garden is common property. Please confirm. If all gates are half gates; then for the owner to have a full size gate will require the owners permission (not the trustees). A special resolution or a unanimous resolution will be required. The owner can't refuse access if you need to access the waste water or sewerage lines.
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Hi Monique,
Refer to Prescribed Management Rule 13 ((e) specifically) which I have inserted below
Disqualification:
A trustee shall cease to hold office as such-
(a) if by notice in writing to the body corporate he resigns his office;
(b) if he is or becomes of unsound mind;
(c) if he surrenders his estate as insolvent, or his estate is sequestrated;
(d) if he is convicted of an offence which involves dishonesty;
(e) if by resolution of a general meeting of the body corporate, he is removed from his office, provided that the intention to vote upon the removal from office has been specified in the notice convening the meeting;
(f) if he ir or becomes disqualified in terms of section 218 or 219 of the Companies Act, 1973, from beng appointed or acting as a director of a company.
Hope this helps.
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Dieter Spindelböck
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Dieter996
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Hi Monique, I would lobby for enough votes of support before the meeting. This would also alleviate the question of whether the trustees who put in the motion should resign.
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Jenni Elliott
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Jenni481
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Hi Marilyn,
Are the cracks on the inside of the unit, or did they start on the outside of the unit?
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Dieter Spindelböck
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Dieter996
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Andre596
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It is possible to extend the floor area or boundaries of your section provided you comply with the formalities set out in the Sectional Titles Act of 1986.
1. As the proposed extension could affect other owners in the scheme, one has to arrange with the trustees of the scheme to call a special general meeting of owners to consider and approve the proposed extension by passing a special resolution at such a meeting. Thirty days notice is required for such a meeting.
2. The resolution would have to be passed by at least three quarters (3/4) of the owners present in person or by proxy at the meeting provided that half the owners were represented if the scheme had up to nine owners, 35% of the owners were represented if the scheme had ten to forty nine owners and 20% of the owners were represented if the scheme had 50 or more owners.
3. Instead of holding a formal meeting, it is possible to obtain a special resolution by having three quarters of the owners sign a “round robin” resolution.
4. After the special resolution has been passed you should have building plans prepared and passed by the local authority. Once the structural building work has been completed, you should instruct a land surveyor to prepare a plan of extension of the section.
5. When the plan of extension has been approved by the Surveyor General, you should instruct your conveyancer to register the extension at the Deeds Office. If the extension extends over a registered exclusive use area, the exclusive use area will have to be cancelled before the extension can be registered. If the extension extends over the common property of the scheme, a transfer duty clearance will have to be obtained from SA Revenue Service as the extension would be regarded as the acquisition of a larger share of the common property that had formerly belonged to all the owners in the scheme.
6. If the section is bonded, the bond and the bondholder’s consent would have to be lodged with the application to extend, so that the title deed of the section and any bonds registered over the section can be endorsed to record the increase in the floor area of the section.
7. As the floor area of a section governs the calculation of the participation quotas by which levies in the scheme are apportioned among the owners, the land surveyor preparing the plan of extension has to prepare an amended participation quota schedule which would be substituted for the existing participation quota schedule in the main file of the scheme at the deeds office when the plan of extension is registered.
8.If the extension results in a change of more than 10% to the participation quota of any section in the scheme, the conveyancer must obtain the consent of all the bondholders over every unit in the scheme to the extension. This can be an arduous task in a large scheme.
If a number of sections are extended at the same time, the plan of extension can cover all the sections being extended, but the 10% threshold requiring the consents of all bondholders would be reached more easily.
One can thus extend the floor area or boundaries of a section in a sectional title scheme provided the necessary formalities are complied with and the sectional plan is amended accordingly to record such change.
It is advisable for the trustees of Sectional Title Schemes to insist that owners follow the correct procedures and formalities so that the sectional plans that are registered in the Deeds Office reflect the actual physical boundaries of the improvements on the ground.
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Dieter Spindelböck
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Dieter996
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Craig Coetzee
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Craig88
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Hi. Do you have a managing agent to assist you with this? They should be able to help with the correct advice. The owner is not complying with the rules. I would get the building inspector out to investigate the Wendy House and they will penalise the owner to a point that he has to remove the Wendy House. Your conduct rules should state that he cannot park a caravan there. You could possibly come to an arrangement where he rents a parking bay from the body corporate, but in most cases, there is always a shortage of parking bays. The owner of the caravan needs to store the caravan offsite. He is obviously trying to save money. The concern i have is that people will start living in the caravan and then it puts more pressure on the services and other owners are then subsidising this units levies. I would suggest you involve an attorney in this matter. Or your managing agent.
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morne183
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Andre Augustyn
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Andre596
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Morne - I commented on this post before, but the comments seems to not have been captured. I dont have suffiecient information, but it seems that with the exception of your neighbour, the other parties obtained exclusive use in terms of section 27 of the Sectional Titles Act, by ways of inclusion in the sectional plan. These are considered real rights and in short can be bought and sold among and between unit owners, can be bonded. Improvements authorised by the trustees, and may not unreasonably be refused
Holder repairs and maintains and must contribute to the levy fund to defray costs of rates, taxes, insurance and maintenance under s37(1)(b). Expensive as to create and to register in the names of the owners as Land surveyor and attorney is required.
Your neigbour is referring to EUA under CURRENT RULE, created under rules in terms of section 27(A) of the 1986 Sectional Titles Act. These are not recognised as Real Rights and
may not be bought and sold. Exchanges require an amendment to the rules and they can not be bonded. Unless allowed in the Rule, improvements require Body Corporate consent
Body Corporate repairs and maintains. Unless specifically stated in the rule creating the use the holder is not obliged to contribute to the levy fund. Relatively inexpensive and easy to create. NO land surveyor needed and attorney expenses limited to drafting the rule.
Last mentioned EUA still needs to be approved per special general meeting. I would recommend obtaining legal advice from sectional title attorney and correspondence be directed pointing out that she has no legal tennure over the common property presently claimed and that any building thereon needs to be removed or will be removed by BC with cost fir her account. Either she would need to register her EUA per section 27 or will have no right to sell the area and or utilise same.
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Andre Augustyn
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Andre596
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From the details provided it is unclear as to whether a general meeting of owners were called to elect office bearers (trustees). It is also not mentioned whether an agenda was distributed prior to the meeting with 14 days notice indicate the reason for meeting and whether minutes were distributed thereafter.
The election of trustees are done annually at the AGM and new trustees should therefore have been alected at the 2011 AGM. Should the elected trustees not be functioning as a result of non functioning trustees, the only basis on which re-election of trustees can be enforced is on basis of a special general meeting (other than AGM). In this scheme of 11 units, the quorum requirement would be 35%, being 4 owners in person or by proxy. From information provided it is not clear if proxies were obtained. In any avent, the legally elected trustees have the power to appoint a managing agent. In my view, should the procedural / legal nature of process be in dispute, an owner/s can call on prescribed management rule 53. In terms of aforesaid, "the trustees may whenever they think fit and shall upon a request in writing made either by owners entitled to 25 per cent of the total of the quotas of all sections or by any mortgagee holding mortgage bonds over not less than 25 per cent in number of the units, convene a special general meeting. If the trustees fail to call a meeting so requested within fourteen days of the request, the owners or mortgagee concerned shall be entitled themselves to call the meeting".
My recommendation would be to obtain the required approval from members / owners (3 would be required) and to request trustees to call special general meeting with a view to re-elect trustees. Should they not concur, the owner applying can do the neccessary with 14 days notice to owners. It would be essential in this instance not to boicot meeting, but to be present to ensure that the proceedings are legitimate.
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morne183
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Andre Augustyn
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Andre596
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In my view, the first option would be to request attendance at the next trustee meeting as owner (no vote, but may speak - refer PMR 15.5) and to voice concerns, which should also be tendered in writing. Minutes of said meeting should record the concerns for future reference.
Should the situation still continue, an owner/s can call on prescribed management rule 53. In terms of aforesaid, "the trustees may whenever they think fit and shall upon a request in writing made either by owners entitled to 25 per cent of the total of the quotas of all sections or by any mortgagee holding mortgage bonds over not less than 25 per cent in number of the units, convene a special general meeting. If the trustees fail to call a meeting so requested within fourteen days of the request, the owners or mortgagee concerned shall be entitled themselves to call the meeting".
My recommendation would be to obtain the required approval from members / owners (25% as per above) and to request trustees to call special general meeting with a view to re-elect trustees. Should they not concur, the owner applying can call the required meeting with notice to owners. I would also reccommend that reason for the meeting be disclosed in agenda to ensure maximum owners representation.
Should the trustees action be having a serious financial impact on the scheme and if they are unwilling or unable to properly manage and administer the scheme in accordance with the Act and the scheme's rules, application can be made for an administrator to be appointed in terms of section 46. This is however rarely the best option to follow, unless no other avenues are available.
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Andre596
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Correct - contravenes PMR 68.1. Further to this, the area is not intended for habitable / residential use and would contradict municipal regulations. Address in terms of scheme rules with warning / penalty system or take legal route.
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Dieter Spindelböck
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Dieter996
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Andre596
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Good conduct rules should provided for situations such as this (i.e. over crowding). It should have a directive of maximum allowed individuals per bedroom. The municipal regulations is determined "per toilet" and wont be of any assistance. If in contravention of rules follow due process. If rules are lacking, amend same by SGM to enable action to be taken and penalty sysytem to be implemented where required.
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morne183
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Andre596
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No, they can't. Ownership of the common property is shared jointly by the owners of sections. This joint ownership is of an 'undivided' nature in that no owner of a section can identify any specific part of the common property as representing the share allocated to his or her section. In the absence of an agreement to the contrary, each owner has the right to use any part of the common property subject only to the provisions of the Act, the Management and the conduct rules of the scheme. It is practice in certain schemes where common property is "rented" to owners / occupants within the scheme. The correct procedure for usage of any common property by specific owners would be for Exclusive Use Areas to be allocated in terms of Real Rights (section 27) or per Rules (section 27) - see other posts in this regard. In this instance I would suggest objecting to the process followed to the trustees in writing, alternatively calling for a special general meeting of owners in terms of PMR 53 ("Trustees must call a special general meeting if requested in writing to do so by owners entitled to twenty-five percent of the total of the participation quotas of all sections").
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Andre596
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The first option is always to apply the rules and hopefully a penalty system is incorporated therein, which normall contributes to an owner adhering to said rules as the financial implication could become extensive/ The only remaining option, if rules process has been followed (and I assume approriate notice has been given), is notify the owner that failing the adherence to rules within a stipulated time frame (should be sufficient to comply - 30 days suggested), the matter would be taken the legal route (via attorney) and a court order will be obtained to remove animal/s to ensure compliance. This has been done successfully in the past. Alternatively, check whether the total animals housed are within municipal regulations as this can simplify recourse process.
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Direct your objection to the trustees and / or managing agent who need to apply the their minds in terms of rules of scheme. Noise disturbance could be an objectionable aspect, should the pets have been approved in terms of rules by trustees.
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Is the tree on Common Property or is it in an exclusive use area? If it is a registered exclusive use area, the the owner is responsible to maintain their exclusive use area. Was the tree visible as the trustees could have addressed it before it damaged the wall? If it is common property, then the body corporate is responsible to address the damaged wall.
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Craig88
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Is the tree on Common Property or is it in an exclusive use area? If it is a registered exclusive use area, the the owner is responsible to maintain their exclusive use area. Was the tree visible as the trustees could have addressed it before it damaged the wall? If it is common property, then the body corporate is responsible to address the damaged wall.
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Craig88
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Hi. The managing agent reports to the trustees. The trustees have the authority to dismiss and appoint a managing agent. But, the managing agent is not allowed to contradict the sectional titles act. If an owner would like to see financial information of the body corporate, the managing agent may not refuse providing this information. They might charge for it or allow you to come to their offices, but they cannot deny you this right.
If the trustees chose to communicate directly to owners, then the managing agent needs to refer the owners to the trustees. I would suggest that you try and sit down with the trustees and raise your concerns. If this does not work, you need to obtain 25% of the owners consent to call a special general meeting and vote in new trustees.
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Hi. E-mail is now a legal way of communication. Trustees can make decisions over e-mail. I normally prefer that decisions not costing too much money (less than R10 000) can be decided over e-mail, but the big decisions such as replacing roofs or painting gets discussed at a trustees meeting. These are big expenses so you can normally plan a meeting in advance for these types of decisions.
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If the EU was registered in terms of Section 27 (real right) same woould have been recorded on sectional plan and will be transferred as per deeds office and annotated as such on title deed (and can be verified per Windeed / deeds office detail). If allocated in terms of section 27a (rules) same would be conferred on the section in terms of rules and will still apply in terms if annexure filed. Please see other posts ree Exclusive Use Area's.
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I am a legal registered unit owner within a Sectional Title Townhouse complex, which comprises 30 units. We are internally managed by a Chair person as well as four other trustees. I, for reasons that I do not wish to disclose at this time as I have no conclusive evidence, suspect that there may be either maladminstration or misappropiation of funds by one or more of the Trustees. I have made two written requests for copies of the last 3 months to date bank statements for my persusal, stating that I requre the statements for personal reasons. The reply I received was that I must either emphasize what I mean by personal, failing this, I am invited to view the statements at the unit (residence) of the Chair Person. In order for me to properly study 3 months statements is going to take a lot longer than the 5 or 10 minutes that I will be allocated within someone else's home, therefore, my questions are the following.
1. Do the trustees have the right to with hold these statments from a registered unit owner.
2. Do they have the right to dictate to me when and where I can view such statements.
3. If the answers to any of the above questions are yes, then what form of action should I take in order to set my mind at rest regarding the Body Corporate Bank account.
4. If the answers to the above questions are no, and the Trustees refuse to adhere to my request, what can I do to ensure compliance, without making unwarranted and unproven accusations.
Finally, I wish to add that a few years ago our complex almost went bankrupt due to a previous treasurer's maladministration as well as misappropriation of our funds, and I do not wish for us to land up in the same position again. I also wish to state that my suspicions are at present totally unsubstantiated and I could very well be proven incorrect. However, the only way that I can clarify this is by personally studying the bank statements.
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Craig Coetzee
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Craig88
Joined : 25 Jul 2011
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Location : Cape Town, Western Cape
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Hi. First look at the audited financials. If you do not have audited financials for the previous year, i would be nervous. The Sectional Title Act will state the AGM needs to be held 4 months (latest) after the financial year end. You should see on the financial statements, if the auditor makes comments, such as "Qualified" and he would also raise certain concerns in the financial report. 3 months might not be a long enough period to pick up anything. I would take the chairperson up on his offer and sit there for 30 minutes if you have to and he needs to understand that you are looking at the financials. You can also ask him for an updated debtors list to see who is outstanding in their levies. If he does not that amount of time for you, suggest that he photocopies the statements and you will re-imburse him for it. I am also reluctant to give out the bank statements as owners can use that to get loans on behalf of the body corporate. See what you can get from your side.
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Loraine Reich
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Loraine596
Joined : 18 Feb 2012
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Location : Durban, KwaZulu-Natal
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Craig Coetzee
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Craig88
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My understanding is that to make owners responsible for the maintenance of their roofs, you require a unanimous resolution. 100% of the owners in a round robin needs to agree to it in writing or you call a meeting (give 30 days notice clearly specifying the rule change) where 80% of the owners are present in person or proxy and then 100% of those owners need to vote in favour of it. You then need to amend the management rules. You might need to discuss this with an attorney (Lomas Walker is experts in Sectional Title - Durban).
Unit 3 will be liable for the costs of the attorney. The attorney might take action against the body corporate if he was brought in under false pretenses, and then the body corporate will need to collect it from the owner in unit 3.
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Loraine Reich
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Loraine596
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Craig Coetzee
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Craig88
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Hi. The sectional title act will state that you can vote by show of hands or by poll. Show of hands means that each vote is equal. If you vote by poll, you will then vote by PQ. If an owner requests at an AGM that you vote by poll, the request has to be followed. I would suggest that you mention this a few days before the meeting so that the managing agent or the trustees can prepare for this as it does get complicated when calculating the votes.
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Loraine Reich
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Loraine596
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Craig Coetzee
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Craig88
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We are on it.
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